Re: Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line)

**Martijn (admin)** Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:09 pm

parkash wrote:i have apriciat both of you accutlly
...
my point is that if you can give me any man's hands print or any solid evedence about this matter so i ill rubb my name in the tradditional palmistry and mentione my name into moderne palmist.......

thanks
parkash

Dear Parkash,

( Banana waving

You better get ready to 'rub your name'!!!)

Since you requested a 'fair' request to Lynn and me, I'll post some solid evidence for the point we made:

The handprint below belongs to a Dutch woman at age 67 (notice this handprint was taken when she was much younger: at age 53).

Do you see what see?

I see: that she has an extremely short life line.. it doesn't even enter the mouse of the thumb (a.k.a. mount of Venus).

I think this 'case' on it's own PROOFS that there is no direct link between the length of the life line & the age of death!!

PS. Trust me, I can add that the life line in her left hand is slightly longer - but still very short as well. And I can also add... that this woman has not had any easy life at all - but based on what I recently heard about her, I expect that she will be able to reach a much older age than she managed so far.

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-11

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-11

Respected Parkash,

Now please allow me... I also would like to add a few words about your 'prestigious' report about your grandfather:

I am sorry Parkash, but there is so much evidence 'against' the notorious theory about the length of the life line... that your report about your experience with your grand father can simply be described as just 'coincidence'.

Okay, if the truth is exactly what you told us - it is definitely a rather impressive story... maybe have a 'psychic' gift (as was also sort of suggested by Lynn), but your story is just a story on it's own. Your story has only anecdotal value (simply because it's just a story, no details about your grandfather's hand, nor any direct proof that your observation was correct, etc. etc.).

By the way, I observe...

... that YOU requested us to present 'PROOF' - but I would like to notice here that from your side, you haven't yourself presented us any proof for your story at all!!

So, now... lol!

... are you finished with this discussion?

I think it's time to SHOW US that your words are 'true'... lol!

... and I am wondering: when exactly can we expect you to 'rub your name' and become a 'modern palmist'!???

nice thread

**Lynn** Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:15 am

Martijn, thanks for posting your aunts handprint. Indeed it is very similar to how I recall my friend's aunt's hand (who died in her 90's). However I could now find myself arguing - is the red line her lifeline or is it an extended line of mars? Is the green line her fate line or could it be her long lifeline (attached to headline for a long time eg. if she was attached to family for a long time / slow to 'cut the apron strings' / late developer in some way?)?

In any case, I think to predict a short life from this hand (or any hand!) would be potentially very dangerous & (as you witnessed) erroneous assumption.

Parkash (& anyone?), I wonder what are your thoughts on this hand regarding lifeline?
Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Simonr11

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Simonr11

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:33 am

Lynn wrote:Martijn, thanks for posting your aunts handprint. Indeed it is very similar to how I recall my friend's aunt's hand (who died in her 90's). However I could now find myself arguing - is the red line her lifeline or is it an extended line of mars? Is the green line her fate line or could it be her long lifeline (attached to headline for a long time eg. if she was attached to family for a long time / slow to 'cut the apron strings' / late developer in some way?)?

Well Lynn,

I understand your association regarding the green 'fate line' - but I think one can safely reject the idea that it is a 'life line' for various reasons: but my major argument is be that this 'fate line' clearly points in the direction of the zone between the index finger and the middle finger... obviously that is a typical characteristic for a 'fate line' - and not a typical characteristic for a life line at all!

PS. I can report that the left hand shows a 'fate line' with exactly the same characteristic (same postion + directed to the same zone), but without any doubt... in the left hand this characteristic does not induce associations with the life line at all, also because the life line is there much stronger.

PPS. And the hands of one of her children shows the same characteristic. Actually, before I posted the print I was very aware that one might make the wrong associations... therefore I decided to color the lines before presenting the picture. wave

... so, with confidence I reject your doubts that the red line might not be a 'life line', etc. Thanks for mentioning. Thumbs up!

parkash Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:59 pm

hi all

well i think i have still chance to remain my name in traditional palmistry ..... lol!

well i am wonder to see the example of your actually well martijin you dont think so the line that mark you in green who treat you as a fate line are you 100% sure that this green line is a fate line......
in my point of view this is not a fate line actually this is her life line i think........ and the red line may called mars line .....
what do you think martijin........? i think i am not wrong .....?

and lynn can you please give me some detail from your point of view about your refrence pic
about the gender of subject etc...

Thanks
Parkash

**Lynn** Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:13 pm

parkash wrote: lynn can you please give me some detail from your point of view about your refrence pic about the gender of subject etc...

Thanks
Parkash

sorry Parkash, I forgot to say -
male, right handed, age 23 or 24 when print was taken.

**Martijn (admin)** Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:50 pm

parkash wrote:hi all

well i think i have still chance to remain my name in traditional palmistry .....

well i am wonder to see the example of your actually well martijin you dont think so the line that mark you in green who treat you as a fate line are you 100% sure that this green line is a fate line......
in my point of view this is not a fate line actually this is her life line i think........ and the red line may called mars line .....
what do you think martijin........? i think i am not wrong .....?

and lynn can you please give me some detail from your point of view about your refrence pic
about the gender of subject etc...

Thanks
Parkash

Sorry Parkash,

You described that in your opinion the green line is the life line, but that is not correct... let me explain this with a few details:

Actually, one could observe that the green line includes 3 'components':

- the 'first component' starts at the wrist and is slightly directed to the pinky finger: which is a completely normal position for a 'fate line' - I am 100% sure.... that aspect doesn't belong to the life line!

- the 'second component' starts a few cm's higher - halfway the 'first component': this second aspect is slichtly directed to the ring finger - I am 100% sure... that aspect doesn't belong to the life line either!

- and the 'third component' starts almost at the end of the 'second component': this third is directed towards the zone between the index finger + middle finger and ends at the HEAD LINE (it has all typical characteristcs of a 'dissociated head line', which is not connected with the life line - including a 'smooth' straight path). I think one could describe it as a 'splitting' from the head line (the yellow line) ... but I can not describe ONE SINGLE characteristic that indicates that this line can be described as a 'life line'.

Parkash, you've only described that in your perception the red line is a 'life line'... but you've not given one single argument!!

And finally, I also reject you observation that the red line is a 'mars line' ... because that line starts in the lower zone of the mount of Jupiter - and Mars lines do not start in the mount of jupiter - actually, the red line has ALL basic characteristics of a typical life line (structure + position + the typical curve)... the only unusual characteristic is that it is a very short!!

So, I can only conclude:

Parkash, if you hold on to your opinion about my 'short life line example' + the 'notorious life line theory'... I think you actually hold on to an illusion!

Anyway, thank you for your efforts so far!

Thank you!

**jeanette** Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:19 pm

I think the same as Martijin, except the branch off the fate line is an effort line, the fate line continues with overlapping breaks and finally settles with a straight line.
Jeanette.

**jeanette** Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:20 pm

I forget to say the effort line stops at the head line.
Jeanette.

**Martijn (admin)** Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:54 pm

(Jeanette, thanks for confirming my observations)

parkash Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:40 am

hi again

aahmm lynn can you tell me that the hand print you posted ,,, how old he lived....?

**Lynn** Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:04 pm

parkash wrote:aahmm lynn can you tell me that the hand print you posted ,,, how old he lived....?

he is age 28 now.

**knox gillespie** Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:54 pm

My first notion when I see a short life line, is that fears pierce the person. Fears from the subconscious , the memory, usually lie dormant unable the scale the concious barrier of active thinking...Without a good life line length , memory is in play.....

chakraborty Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:57 am

When I started learning Palmistry, I used to believe that short life line length gives a short life. Even few traditional Indian Palmistry books did mention that.

Later I found that the same need not be true. In Indian Palmistry, the heart line is called 'Ayu Rekha' - that is longevity line. Probably with the thinking that the heart needs to keep beating to keep us alive ! When I studied further, I found in some books that Fate line can take the place of Lifeline when the Lifeline is short. There were some specific conditions for this is to be true - like Fate line distinct etc. etc.

As Indian Palmistry has some relation with astrology, the rationale for above is simple from that angle. Fate line is related to Saturn and so may carry the significance of Saturn - which are Career (10H), Occult & Longevity and chronic disease (8H) and enmity/diseases (acute) (6H). So, tendencies/events of these areas may show some indication in Fate line.

A good life line is supposed to provide good life and also a good longevity - provided supported by other factors and no cuts/islands etc. This line was also called Pitru rekha (Father line) or Gotra Rekha (Family lineagae). Probably a short life line may indicate a very unconventional later life - away from the upbringing.

BTW, I have also seen people gauging the longevity from Lifeline and being very accurate. But it appeared that the deduction was also based on some intuition.

regards

Chakraborty

**pravin kumar** Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:44 am

Dear Martijn,

I read about your report on the short life line. I refer to Book "The Prediction Book of Palmistry" by Jo Logan. I read this book long long time back and have been following this particular interpretation:

The utmost care must be taken because it is not unusual, either, for there to be two separate life lines on a hand: the original line comes to an abrupt halt and a new, strong line develops elsewhere in the hand. More often than not, the new life line will start from the head line so may be mistaken for a fate line and continues down the palm to echo the route that the original line would probably have taken. .

This configuration denotes that the subject has made a complete break with his old life style, due to dissatisfaction or force of circumstance, and created a new life for himself, quite literally, probably in entirely new surroundings. I have this formation in my right hand, the original life line having stopped around 25. This coincided with a move to another country, a very different occupation and totally alien way of life. This is on Page 78 of the book. I have been following this regularly and systematically with many many confirmations. To me it looks like a Life Line combined with Fate Line or Fate cum Life Line.

Pravin Kumar

tajender Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:29 pm

Pravinjee
This is robust reply to so called western palmist like Martijn.

**Martijn (admin)** Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:23 pm

pravin kumar wrote:Dear Martijn,

I read about your report on the short life line. I refer to Book "The Prediction Book of Palmistry" by Jo Logan. I read this book long long time back and have been following this particular interpretation:

The utmost care must be taken because it is not unusual, either, for there to be two separate life lines on a hand: the original line comes to an abrupt halt and a new, strong line develops elsewhere in the hand. More often than not, the new life line will start from the head line so may be mistaken for a fate line and continues down the palm to echo the route that the original line would probably have taken. .

This configuration denotes that the subject has made a complete break with his old life style, due to dissatisfaction or force of circumstance, and created a new life for himself, quite literally, probably in entirely new surroundings. I have this formation in my right hand, the original life line having stopped around 25. This coincided with a move to another country, a very different occupation and totally alien way of life. This is on Page 78 of the book. I have been following this regularly and systematically with many many confirmations. To me it looks like a Life Line combined with Fate Line or Fate cum Life Line.

Pravin Kumar

Hi Pravin Kumar,

Sorry, your post does not describe to which aspect in my posts you are responding...? You mentioned my 'report'; I assume you have this article in mind?:
http://www.handresearch.com/news/cheiro-line-of-life-longevity-research-life-line-lifeline.htm

Or is your post a response to the example I presented and discussed earlier in this topic?

(Regarding the book that you mentioned: I have the impression that Jo Logan wrote books about many 'divination' topics... so I would not recommend to propose her as an expert in this field)

So I would welcome you to specify your observations.

wave

PS. I think my article and my 'short life line' example (earlier in this topic) shows that I am very aware of the various variations that can be found in a hand (with- or without a fate line getting involved). By the way, you mentioned your own palm as an example to make your point... but without a print/photo of your hand it is fairly impossible for me to respond anyhow to your observations regarding your own hand.

**pravin kumar** Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:47 am

Martijn,

I am referring to the Short Life Line. Actually it is not my palm I am talking about but the author has mentioned about her palm. She has the same indication in her palm.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
pravin kumar wrote:Dear Martijn,

I read about your report on the short life line. I refer to Book "The Prediction Book of Palmistry" by Jo Logan. I read this book long long time back and have been following this particular interpretation:

The utmost care must be taken because it is not unusual, either, for there to be two separate life lines on a hand: the original line comes to an abrupt halt and a new, strong line develops elsewhere in the hand. More often than not, the new life line will start from the head line so may be mistaken for a fate line and continues down the palm to echo the route that the original line would probably have taken. .

This configuration denotes that the subject has made a complete break with his old life style, due to dissatisfaction or force of circumstance, and created a new life for himself, quite literally, probably in entirely new surroundings. I have this formation in my right hand, the original life line having stopped around 25. This coincided with a move to another country, a very different occupation and totally alien way of life. This is on Page 78 of the book. I have been following this regularly and systematically with many many confirmations. To me it looks like a Life Line combined with Fate Line or Fate cum Life Line.

Pravin Kumar

Hi Pravin Kumar,

Sorry, your post does not describe to which aspect in my posts you are responding...? You mentioned my 'report'; I assume you have this article in mind?:
http://www.handresearch.com/news/cheiro-line-of-life-longevity-research-life-line-lifeline.htm

Or is your post a response to the example I presented and discussed earlier in this topic?

(Regarding the book that you mentioned: I have the impression that Jo Logan wrote books about many 'divination' topics... so I would not recommend to propose her as an expert in this field)

So I would welcome you to specify your observations.

PS. I think my article and my 'short life line' example (earlier in this topic) shows that I am very aware of the various variations that can be found in a hand (with- or without a fate line getting involved). By the way, you mentioned your own palm as an example to make your point... but without a print/photo of your hand it is fairly impossible for me to respond anyhow to your observations regarding your own hand.

What I wish to state is that the line you describe as Fate Line could be interpreted as Life cum Fate Line and the inner one as Line of Mars. Life Line can rise a little higher as in this case, higher in the sense is the gap between the upper edge of the thumb and the lowest edge of the Jupitor Finger. Higher than the centre point of this would be higher.

This would also explain the person living a long life with such an indication.

Short Life Line will also not mean short life because a person whose palm I saw about 20 years back had ditto short life line ending at 52. I told him probably he has digestion problems and that he should take care of it. After another 6 years I saw his palm both his life lines has got extended. I have seen other persons with short life lines having a prominent supporting Fate Line from the bottom supporting the break or the Inner Life Line or Line of Mars supporting the break. W.G.Benham states that a strong thumb may also cover the deficiency of the short life line as the Will is more powerful and may extend the life line in due course.

I just sought your clarification on this subject since I have been following it sincerely since I read that book and even in this forum I must have read palms with similar indications i.e. where the fate cum life line deviate from the head line it shows the change of city or some very important change.

Pravin Kumar

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:49 am

Sorry Pravin Kumar, I perceive your description still not to be very specific (but thank you for correcting that you were talking about the author's hand and not your hand).

By the way, are you talking about the print that I have presented earlier in this topic?

See below:

I already described why in this example the green line can not be described as a life line, and the red line not as a mars line... especially since the blue line meets ALL the typical characteristics of a mars line and the red line meets ALL the typical characteristics of a life line.

(I understand that one could argue that the upper third part of the green fat line could also be recognized as a second part of the life line - which would result sort of in an overlapping interrupted life line; but I already described that it has too many typical aspects of a typical fate line. By the way, one could also argue that this third upper part of the fate could also be associated to represent the lower part of a splitting head line - but that is a likewise speculative position as the position to describe it as the 2nd part of the life line)

PS. I hope you will be able to specify your observations for a specific print... because otherwise your words do not represent much more than a 'speculative theory' (without being featured with any clear example which support your theory).

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-11

**pravin kumar** Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:17 am

Dear Martijn,

My mistake in not being to explain properly. Now I have checked your reply and I feel that it could be case of 2 life lines and innner Mars Line in the picture you have posted. What I want to point out is in such cases (not just this picture) where there may not be Inner Mars Line and the life line is not present but in the form of connected with head line and curving downwards showing it to be life line cum Fate Line I assume it to be a combination of both Fate as well as Life Line. This is what I was trying to get at and the picture you have posted already has another life line within and an inner mars line. I did not see that carefully, my apologies.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Sorry Pravin Kumar, I perceive your description still not to be very specific (but thank you for correcting that you were talking about the author's hand and not your hand).

By the way, are you talking about the print that I have presented earlier in this topic?

See below:

I already described why in this example the green line can not be described as a life line, and the red line not as a mars line... especially since the blue line meets ALL the typical characteristics of a mars line and the red line meets ALL the typical characteristics of a life line.

(I understand that one could argue that the upper third part of the green fat line could also be recognized as a second part of the life line - which would result sort of in an overlapping interrupted life line; but I already described that it has too many typical aspects of a typical fate line. By the way, one could also argue that this third upper part of the fate could also be associated to represent the lower part of a splitting head line - but that is a likewise speculative position as the position to describe it as the 2nd part of the life line)

PS. I hope you will be able to specify your observations for a specific print... because otherwise your words do not represent much more than a 'speculative theory' (without being featured with any clear example which support your theory).

Now for verification I will tell you from this picture which is posted, this person must have changed his/her residence or City at the age of 18/19. If you or whosoever knows this person could get this confirmation then it would help otherwise I have to change my reading of such prints and I come across many of them.

Pravin Kumar

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:55 pm

pravin kumar wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:

Now for verification I will tell you from this picture which is posted, this person must have changed his/her residence or City at the age of 18/19. If you or whosoever knows this person could get this confirmation then it would help otherwise I have to change my reading of such prints and I come across many of them.

Pravin Kumar

No need to apologize at all - thank you for your correction. wave

By the way, I think the answer to your question is a 'no' because I think she moved away from her family quite a few years later (when she got married - though I am not sure at what age the exactly got married).

(It's a bit surprising to see that you associate the age 18/19 with the end of her life line in this hand; I would have expected the end of the life line to be associated with an age of about 25)

**pravin kumar** Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:04 pm

Dear Martijn,

Again there is a misunderstanding. I am referring to the head line which curves down after going straight for a short period. The place where it curves down I take it to be 18/19 whereas you are referring to the short Life Line ending to be 25. This is the difference.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
pravin kumar wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:

Now for verification I will tell you from this picture which is posted, this person must have changed his/her residence or City at the age of 18/19. If you or whosoever knows this person could get this confirmation then it would help otherwise I have to change my reading of such prints and I come across many of them.

Pravin Kumar

No need to apologize at all - thank you for your correction.

By the way, I think the answer to your question is a 'no' because I think she moved away from her family quite a few years later (when she got married - though I am not sure at what age the exactly got married).

(It's a bit surprising to see that you associate the age 18/19 with the end of her life line in this hand; I would have expected the end of the life line to be associated with an age of about 25)

Pravin Kumar

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:29 pm

pravin kumar wrote:Dear Martijn,

Again there is a misunderstanding. I am referring to the head line which curves down after going straight for a short period. The place where it curves down I take it to be 18/19 whereas you are referring to the short Life Line ending to be 25. This is the difference.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
pravin kumar wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:

Now for verification I will tell you from this picture which is posted, this person must have changed his/her residence or City at the age of 18/19. If you or whosoever knows this person could get this confirmation then it would help otherwise I have to change my reading of such prints and I come across many of them.

Pravin Kumar

No need to apologize at all - thank you for your correction.

By the way, I think the answer to your question is a 'no' because I think she moved away from her family quite a few years later (when she got married - though I am not sure at what age the exactly got married).

(It's a bit surprising to see that you associate the age 18/19 with the end of her life line in this hand; I would have expected the end of the life line to be associated with an age of about 25)

Pravin Kumar

Aha... okay, thanks for explaining that - yes, that makes sense.

(But I am still not sure about the implications of your words - because if you now prefer to describe the upper part of the green line as a part of the head line... that would create another discussion; but so far I have not seen a solid argument against my classification for describing the upper green part as a part of the fate line)

Now, you keep me wondering... do you still object against my proposal to describe the upper part of the green line as a fate line?

And if so, what is your argument really? scratch

**Parender** Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:14 pm

Martijn is right as far descriptions of lines are concerned, without doubt. This is also right that the length of the Life Line does not tell the length of your life. But why it is so? The answer is it depends on many factors.

There are many reasons for being the person in question not only being alive but normally healthy too in spite of having a short original Life Line. As a whole is more valuable and important than independent single sign; as no sign or marker is absolute in itself on palms of the hands. I don’t remember who said but it is true that everything affects everything. For perfection in this field, you would have to learn to establish combinations between all the three keys of Palmistry.

I see small repair lines near the main Life Line towards thumb on Mars Mount. By repair lines here I mean one or two lines running parallel or overlaying to the main line. These extra lines are the signs of protection and these rectify the defects of the main line. This means that the life of the person was in great danger at that time of the termination point of the Life Line but has been saved or will be saved.

See a clear vertical line on the mount of Saturn under the middle finger. Same are under the ring finger. It also shows zest of life, the drivenness will continue for much longer period than normal period as revealed by Life Line.

According to my experiences the starting period of Fate Line now will do the work of a good Life Line too from where the original Life Line stopped because the house evacuated by Fate will be occupied by Life. She has good heart line which plays a very important role to keep a person alive. By the law of average your attitude mentality matter too. Besides that I see no so called bad or negative marks at the termination of the Life Line like island, cross, star, dot or mole -as Michel Jackson had on his one hand -etc. You cannot and must not predict death by seeing just one marker on the palms of the hands.

Here it may seem for someone rather difficult to recognize the Life Line from the Saturn Line, but, if you look deliberately, you will find that supports for her life current are coming from elsewhere on the palms of the hands. In many a cases a split or branch starts from the Life Line to mingle with Fate Line. If she had not been supported by these elements/features mentioned above, she would have definitely died at that time of termination of original Life Line.

Change is the law of Nature. A person cannot remain constantly in a single make-up of mind for a very long period so the overlaying or breaks of lines may show radical change of location desired by her but not short life span. I don’t consider this is a lucky hand as far worldly success is concerned. She had struggled and had frustrations too with complain of non cooperation earlier. She annoyed earlier a few of her own people. I consider broken Fate Line is not a good thing to possess. They have to reestablish, restart their life many a times. They lack stability. I see a rather good evening of life with a few things in her control.

Parender

Patti Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:43 pm

(I see there is a post while I'm composing, but will go ahead and post without reading it)

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-11

Lynn wrote:Martijn, thanks for posting your aunts handprint. Indeed it is very similar to how I recall my friend's aunt's hand (who died in her 90's). However I could now find myself arguing - is the red line her lifeline or is it an extended line of mars? Is the green line her fate line or could it be her long lifeline (attached to headline for a long time eg. if she was attached to family for a long time / slow to 'cut the apron strings' / late developer in some way?)?

...

I agree with Lynn's thoughts highlighted in bold above.

Martijn I cannot find where you described your reasoning behind seeing the red line as a short life line and the green as the fate line in your aunt's hand. Could you also share her other hand for comparison of how the fate and life lines interact there?

I think we are looking at a very close variation of the "Single Carpal Base Crease" as illustrated in "Anthropology of Crease Morphogenesis" (fig. 9.27: Major Crease Types - page 169) This is a joining of the fate and life lines with a common base at the carpals.

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Bali10

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Bali10

In "Quantitative-Qualitative Friction Ridge Analysis" (David R. Ashbaugh) on page 181, there is an illustration that shows the creases related to the fingers. The fate line equates to the middle finger crease and the sun line would be the same as the ring finger crease. The thenar crease or life line would be associated with the thumb

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Crease10

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Crease10

Also, in general, the life line remains inside the dermatoglypic main lines from the (t) triradius which I have traced in pink in my illustration below.

Here is how I would label the creases. I am influenced also by the parallel nature of the creases I have colored in aqua where the head and life lines part ways. The life life appears, to me, to be breaking and forming parallel and overlapping lines to itself, while moving into conjunction with the fate line.

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-10

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 2 Short-10

A = Life Line parallel overlapping lines
B = Fate Line branching upwards from Life Line
Fate Line and Life Line conjoined (this continues into the green colored line)
C = Mars Line
D = Dermatoglyphics showing enclosure of Life Line and conjoined part of Life/Fate Lines

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:03 pm

Patti wrote:...

Martijn I cannot find where you described your reasoning behind seeing the red line as a short life line and the green as the fate line in your aunt's hand. Could you also share her other hand for comparison of how the fate and life lines interact there?

Patti, in the following post I have described by detail how every aspect of the green line kind of shows typical characteristics of a fate line:
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t166p15-any-body-can-give-any-answer-for-this-length-life-line#1376

And I think it is obvious that the red line displays all typical characteristics of a life line (regarding it's starting point, it's path + it's width)... it is only short.

(Sorry, you have not explained at all why you associate the other blue lines in your picture with a life line; actually, I observe that none of those lines display the typical characteristics of a life line - in terms of the locations, the path and the width: I think it is obvious that each of those lines display characteristics that can be associated with other lines as well... but this can not be said about the life line in my picture)

PS. Some of the minor blue line-parts in your picture are ridges (remember the Korean article!)

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