How to discriminate a simian crease from a Sydney line and a Suwon crease!

Lynn wrote:Martijn -

Pamelah - I understand what you are asking. Re the Suwon crease we only have that one scientific paper to look at - as discussed here
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t199-report-korean-researchers-discovered-the-suwon-crease-only-observed-in-males

thanks clarifying Lynn. I think I'll stick with the heart line forked conversation since there isn't a conversation about what it means. It has to be similar to that anyway!

But that gives us no interpretation to use as handreaders! In practical handreading, like you I would tell clients about the forked heartline - in your terms the Hermit & Romantic Idealist type of lines. By the way Pamelah, thanks for your heartlines blog - I
have included a link to it in my updated handreading course, and talk about your useful terminology in the heartline lesson.

Pamelah wrote:Martijn, how is the Suwon line different from a split heart line that has the split under Saturn, with an extension to Jupiter? If I saw that I would call this a split heart line with Hermt and Romantic Idealist.

Hello Pamelah!!


I have described a few clues in my response to Stalin, but I can add a few elements. The essential between a Suwon crease and a 'split heart line' is found in the 'structure' of the line:

- Only if the structure of the line under discussion is likewise strong as the lower head line AND if the line is at least equal (or stronger) than the radial part of the heart line... then it meets all requirements to be called a Suwon crease.

- However, if the line has a likewise structure as seen in the upper part of the heart line AND when it is clearly weaker than the lower head line... then it can simply be described as a 'splitting heart line' - and if the lower branch of the splitting heart line is reaching out to the radial side of the palm, then one can describe it as an 'extended heart line variant' that is featured with a 'splitting'.

So this really requires a consideration of the structure of both the other heart line parts + the structure of the head line.

Pamelah, have I been able to answer your question?

Lynn wrote:
Martijn -

Lynn...

jeanette wrote:I think I understand this Suwon Crease now. It must have a second head line, separate from the first, not joined, which joins the heart line. If it wasn't for this second head line appearing it would be a straightforward hand. ....

Hi Jeanette,

Yes, sounds like my new picture was helpfull for you to understand the essential element: you've described it in your own words very well!

Pamelah wrote:Yes, Martijn. You answered it and as Lynn pointed out, what does it mean?

Hi Pamelah,

Sorry... I think your question regarding the meaning is a little bit too early: because we can only speculate about this, or present 'theoretical' interpretations.


So far I have the impression that this line variant could be found more often in the hands of 'intelligent Beta-oriented males' with an introvert personality or a not very social oriented nature.

I also think that this line variant has a more positive nature than the simian line & the Sydney line (which both are known in medical science as a 'minor physical anomaly').

... However, I do have reasons to think that the Suwon crease could also be significant marker for Asperger's syndrome (= the high-functioning variant of Autism).


But these are just a few associations based on the populations that I have studied so far.

jeanette wrote:Thanks Martijin,
But what is the Hal 600 or 900.
Jeanette.

Hi Jeanette,

You probably are reffering to Richard Unger's 'Hal 9000 head line', see:
http://www.handresearch.com/news/gift-markings-in-your-hand.htm

The 'Hal 9000 head line' is a very long head line which ends at a location below the center of the middle little finger... but this head line variant does not cross the full palm: because it does not end at the side of the palm like seen in the Sydney line.

So... the 'Hal 9000 head line' is a little bit SHORTER than the Sydney line!

Does this make sense now as well?

Martijn (admin) wrote:
The 'Hal 9000 head line' is a very long head line which ends at a location below the center of the middle finger...[/color]

jeanette wrote:I think I understand this Suwon Crease now. It must have a second head line, separate from the first, not joined, which joins the heart line. If it wasn't for this second head line appearing it would be a straightforward hand. As for what it means in palmistry interpretation Patti gave a long and interesting theory and thought it was getting to grip with things.
Also Martijin what about the Hal 600 or is it 900. Thanks,
Jeanette.

Martijn (admin) wrote:

During the past months I have noticed that many people experience problems with discriminating a simian line from other unusual hand line types (such as the Sydney line, Suwon crease and the extended heart line).

In the following article I describe the essential characteristics of these lines, featured with a short historical review focussed on the significance of each of those lines in medical scientific perspective:

http://palmreadingperspectives.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/how-to-classify-the-palmar-lines-the-simian-line-sydney-line-the-suwon-crease/


I hope that the picture (above) + descriptions will become usefull to recognize the essential differences between these 4 fundamentally different variants of the 'transversal palmar creases' - which all relate to the COMBINATION of the heart line & the head line!

Your comments are welcome...!


PS. A high quality version of the picture is available HERE.

jeanette wrote:In one of the latest posts it was said that the Sydney line was believed to have to cross the whole palm but now it is accepted that it can end at the middle of the little finger. So does that now mean the Hal 9000 is obsolete and is a Sydney line. Thanks,
Jeanette.

Patti wrote:
Hi Martijn,
I know, you know, that I think that some extended heart lines may be variants of the Suwon crease. This is because I think the heart line should not be located at the radial edge of the palm.

I find this quote from Schaumann & Alter "Dermatoglyphics in Medical Disorders"
describing a 'normal' heart line, or distal transverse crease, supportive of that view:

"The distal transverse crease is located between the proximal crease and the heads of the underlying metacarpal bones. Starting ordinarily in the space between the index and middle fingers, the crease curves gently proximally, ending on the ulnar edge of the palm."

Also, on page 109, Fig. 5.5 illustrates variations of the simian or single transverse crease. Example A and E both have what they call shortened proximal transverse creases with lengthened distal transverse creases extending the width of the palm. In my opinion, when and if the Korean's develop a list of variants of the Suwon, examples A & E will be variants. These examples can clearly be described as II + III with Accessory II. The Koreans have defined the creases that transverse the entire palm as II + III.

Patti wrote:Hi Martijn,
I expected your response, of course.
But, I do respectfully disagree.

... Patti, please specify: can you describe where you disagree regarding what I described in my last post?