CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!

Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):

jeanette wrote:
Hi Martijin,
Thanks for showing us these famous hands.It's a great idea. I did not know who wrote the Bolero and that is some hand Ravel had. I saw a hand like that in one of Johnny Fincham's book when he was showing the effect of shock treatment. I enjoyed the video, as I like Andre Rieu. He gets accused of taking down the tone of classical music, but I think he is great and I also get the impression he is quite a character. Maybe we could see his hands. Thanks.
Jeanette.

anu_d wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):

very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.

Lynn wrote:...
Martijn- which book is Ravel's print from? Does it say how old he was when the print was taken? (looks like an 'old' hand).

Lynn wrote:

anu_d wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):

very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.

We used to call those rounded bulging fingertips "lollipop fingers" They spend a lot of time in their heads, in the 'mental realm'.
anu, in 5 element chirology, Ravel's isn't a water hand - palm is too wide and fingers too short. It's basically a fire shape hand.

anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.

if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D

jeanette wrote:... I have a few videos of Andre Rieu and my favourite is a Christmas one, but I don't know how to send them, I think I have managed to send it to Martijin and have asked him if he can get it on here. ...

By the way, Jeanette it is very easy to upload Youtube/Google videos: you only have to use the -button and copy-and-past the video's url (= the web adress).

But I think we are going... ... for: André Rieu is known as a skilled performer, but though he is composer as well - his fame is basically due to his highly entertaining orchestral performings.

Nevertheless, this has become a... ... okay, okay, okay... Jeanette, I'll soon post a André Rieu tribute (and though I am not a true 'fan', I promise: I will share my favourite André Rieu moment in that new discussion!!)

Lynn wrote:

anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.

if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D

hi anu,
Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.

With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.

As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.

by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality".