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III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
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[justify]My plain answer is no because if a person’s fingerprints denote a Mentor, an Artist, a Healer, a big Shot, the person will definitely be an intelligent person you see. But, the other chierological marks would have to confirm it. The successful reading of dermatoglyphics study depends on the study of chierology. They both were made for each other. Even if we see some especial mark on fingertips, we would have to get it confirmed somewhere on the palm before reaching to a conclusion.
Yes, the ATD angle correlates with intelligence.
I mistook your following saying -
–for “fingerprints do not show any well defined specific substances that the person has”.“The associations with IQ appear to be rhetorics only. And the model of the fingerprints & the brain lobes connection appears to be a speculative theoretic construction - because I have never ever seen any scientifically confirmed link between any single finger (print) and any well-defined specific 'talent',”
You did not mean that. You were talking about “specific talent”.
My belief was and is that the Fingerprints make us able to extract information about the ‘substances’ that the person has; but not “well defined specific talent.” I think you would have followed my idea. Now, I have no hesitation to agree with you.
Parender Sethi
http://www.palmistryforyou.in/
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Hello Parender Sethi,Parender wrote:Dear Martijin,
...
I mistook your following saying -–for “fingerprints do not show any well defined specific substances that the person has”.“The associations with IQ appear to be rhetorics only. And the model of the fingerprints & the brain lobes connection appears to be a speculative theoretic construction - because I have never ever seen any scientifically confirmed link between any single finger (print) and any well-defined specific 'talent',”
You did not mean that. You were talking about “specific talent”.
My belief was and is that the Fingerprints make us able to extract information about the ‘substances’ that the person has; but not “well defined specific talent.” I think you would have followed my idea. Now, I have no hesitation to agree with you.
Parender Sethi
http://www.palmistryforyou.in/
Thanks for confirming that you sort of misread my quote .
Yes, before your feedback I had been talking about the DMIT method only - one should not read my comments out of context: I was not referring to fingerprints in general!
So, great to know that you can actually support my comment & analysis (yes I made my comments more specified - to the DMIT product - than you initially assumed).
And again... my fundamental problem with the DMIT product is that it claims to be constructed with scientific findings, but there are no scientific findings available which confirm that a single finger (print) provides info 'talent' (nor brain lobes, IQ, EQ, etc.) - but DMIT does make those claims.
Richard doesn't make those claims: he doesn't claim that his method is scientifically validated, and his method uses a completely different approach because it works with the profile of all 10 fingers (prints) together.
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
This is interesting to me. At 11 years of age I questioned the whole concept of IQ tests, after passing my "11-plus" exam at primary school, based on IQ tests. I scored 96 or 98% so I passed thru to Grammar School. But I never thought I was more intelligent than some friends who didn't pass the exam! We have different ways of thinking, some more
academic or creative, some better at abstract thoughts & imaginative ability.
At some stage I discovered that apparently my IQ was high enough to get into MENSA. I think I scored 136 in IQ test. (is that high? maybe I remembered it wrong, and maybe my brain isn't as good as it used to be! but am happy to re-take it if anyone has a link to a free IQ test).
Since age 11 I have always argued that I just happen to be good at IQ tests (which seem to be based basically on maths, some language ability, & recognising patterns), but it does not make me more intelligent than the next person.
Now I know palmistry, I'd say that IQ tests seem ideally suited to my short (ends under Saturn) straight headline. It's a particular way of thinking. And "recognising patterns" is a great "way of thinking" for analysing hands!
Anyway, it is interesting to watch this video. I agree with this guy that there are multiple 'types of intelligence'!
Last edited by Lynn on Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:27 pm; edited 5 times in total (Reason for editing : mistakes, waffled too much)
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Hi Lynn,Lynn wrote:... At some stage I discovered that apparently my IQ was high enough to get into MENSA. I think I scored 136 in IQ test. (is that high? maybe I remembered it wrong, and maybe my brain isn't as good as it used to be! but am happy to re-take it if anyone has a link to a free IQ test).
Since age 11 I have always argued that I just happen to be good at IQ tests (which seem to be based basically on maths, some language ability, & recognising patterns), but it does not make me more intelligent than the next person.
...
Yes, to join Mensa... "you need an IQ of at least 130".
Only about 2% of people is able to score above 130 on any calibrated IQ test.
So, if your memory is correct about the 136 score (in the past), I think you are overestimating the capacities of many others at least a little bit... because far most people will never manage to score above 130 on any IQ test.
IQ is a actually dynamic measure, which varies e.g. with: age, culture, education - which explains why the most advanced IQ tests always include a measure of various skills: linguistic abilities, spatial abilities, mathmatics, memory, etc.
By the way, many people over-estimate the capacities of others, especially regarding those people who show 'stronger verbal skills'... but often these skills were developed to compensate weaker skills, etc.
Maybe you will enjoy to read this article: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/iq/
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Martijn (admin) wrote:
....if your memory is correct about the 136 score (in the past), I think you are overestimating the capacities of many others at least a little bit... because far most people will never manage to score above 130 on any IQ test.
but that is my point! I don't think I am over-estimating others abilities, I think they have a different type of intelligence!
maybe my memory is not correct? I should do an online IQ test to check what it is now.
I read the article, so if I remembered correctly my IQ is about the same as Arnold Schwarzenegger & Al Gore. I need to re-take that test!
Hasta la vista baby.
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/iq/
sorry if I am off topic, none of my posts so far relate to dermatoglyphics in relation to IQ.
very interesting topic!
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
If you have a half hour of spare time, you can try this online test at the official mensa website...Lynn wrote:
... I need to re-take that test!
Hasta la vista baby.
https://www.mensa.org/workout.php
(Not an official test, but it should provide you an interesting impression)
PS. Lynn, regarding... (yes, we are off-topic) ... the 'responses' that you quoted are at best partly true, but some are not much more than rethorics only (based on general prejudgements regarding the content of IQ tests; because the content & types of skills tested actually varies in various tests!).
Anyway, in my hand research studies I don't focuss on the results of IQ tests (instead I am using highest education levels, etc.).
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
I will re-post the link to the IQ test on a new thread and try it tomorrow! thanks.
Why are your studies going by highest education level?
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn, my answer to your question is quite simple: because I have data about education levels available (and hardly any data about IQ-test results).Lynn wrote:
Why are your studies going by highest education level?
But don't worry, I know what I am doing, and of course... I will describe my populations with details.
Afterall, experts describe intelligence as the 'ability to learn': to ability to acquire, understand & apply knowledge + info. So despite the fact that the validity of IQ tests is debated (even among IQ experts), education levels generally do reflect intelligence.
I hope this now makes sense.
PS. This discussion is about the DMIT test, which 'claims' that it measures IQ (and other related aspects).
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
... By the way, has any member ever taken this 'Dermatoglyphics Multiple Intelligence Test'?
PS. The earlier mentioned 2008 JakartaPost article provides an interesting overview of the history of the DMIT:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/18/behind-science-fingerprints.html
The following poster provides a little more insight about how a DMIT analysis is constructed (including 'pattern index', which appears to be based on ridge count of the individual fingers):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/images/poster.pdf
(this PDF-file presents a larger version of the picture below)
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
I have just added the following info to the introduction message of this topic:
Who designed the 'Dermatoglyphic Multiple Intelligence Test'?
Basically, the Thumbrul DMIT-test can be recognized as a result from the work of Professor Roger Lin (edit: he appears to be involved himself in the commercial application). More info about the history of his work is available here:
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html
http://www.brain-child.co.cc/2010/10/profesor-roger-lin.html (Indonesian language, but there are multiple translation buttons available)
Professor Roger Lin from China:
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.
I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ??
I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn wrote:Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.htmlIt started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.
I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ??
I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.
Yes Lynn, you're right: the quote is partly true (the relevance of fingerprints)... but also partly nonsense (regarding the aspect of multiple intelligence, which was discovered about 100 years later than 1823 with the example of the dermatoglyphics in Down syndrome).
Regarding your second question:
The large version of the second picture that I presented in my former post presents some answers (but not all answers, I still have to figure out the details myself as well):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/images/poster.pdf [/color]
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn, I can't read the info about fingerprints in that pdf link, the quality is blurred.
... I am sorry to hear that Lynn, but the quality of the document is really excellent: I can easily read every single letter in that document - except on page 5 (but I think that concern general info about fingerprint interpretation theories which is probably described on other websites as well).
Did you try to look at the 100% resolution-version?
EDIT: PS. From my point of view is page 1 the most interesting page of this document.
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn, a shorter summary of the info on page 5 is available here (at the same website):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/dermo.html
( By the way... I think none of the interpretations are validated by any scientific study - anyway, on this page 'Brain Child' claims 95% accuracy. But by fact: all descriptions can be recognized as typically originating from some of the works included in the Palmistry books TOP 100, also confirm by the vocabulary used to describe the names of the fingerprint variants.)
Quoted from brain-childlearning.com:
Simple Arch - Practical, realistic, efficient but conservative
Ulnar Loop - Emotional, adapts fast and strong in interaction
Concentric Whorl - Independent, competitive, firm (stubborn) and proactive
Spiral Whorl – Highly intuitive, goal oriented but can be emotional
Composite Whorl - Can be a multi-tasking person and have systematic thinking pattern
Variant - Multi-faceted nature of the show, the more volatile
Tented Arch - Has the characteristics of impulsive passion, absorb information like sponges
Radial Loop - More self-centered, love to reverse operation
Impolding Horl - Often easy as one of dual-use, can have increased confidence in goal
Peacock's Eye - With a high degree of understanding ability, literacy, and have unique understanding and ability in arts
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn. I already read this info, but am still trying to understand how they apply it in practice & how they tie it in with IQ.
Lynn, page 1 of the PDF-file indicates that regarding the multiple intelligences, they e.g. assess 'fingerprint ridge count' on each finger (e.g. total finger ridge count is mentioned as 'TFRC'), and afterwards they appear to translate the results into relative weights for each of the 10 fingers.
These appear to be used to identify the 'talents' (= what they call the 'innate characteristics', which they see in the perspective of 'strength of brain cells'... - whatever that may be...?).
Additionally (not seen in page 1), they also appear to use the AtD-angle to assess 'learning style' and 'ability', but that aspect is not mentioned on page 1.
But I think will will never know exactly the details because their 'concept' is probably kept as a business-secret of their francise product (though most of the investment probably relates directly to the hardware involved - including a computer + fingerprintscnanner).
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?
PS. The following picture also shows how the dominance of the brain lobes is directly related to ridge count of the individual fingerprints:
(The large version of the picture is available at: http://www.empowermind.in/images/banners/02%20banner.png )
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
A recent article (december 2010) - which speaks about DMIA instead of DMIT:
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?
Yes, thanks Martijn.
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Manfred
Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?
Thanks Manfred!
PS. I have just added the 13th website in the introduction post of this topic.
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